{"id":176474432,"date":"2017-06-27T00:20:43","date_gmt":"2017-06-27T05:20:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/?p=176474432"},"modified":"2017-06-27T00:20:43","modified_gmt":"2017-06-27T05:20:43","slug":"interview-yaa-gyasi-slavery-is-on-peoples-minds-it-affects-us-still","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/2017\/06\/27\/interview-yaa-gyasi-slavery-is-on-peoples-minds-it-affects-us-still\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVIEW: Yaa Gyasi: \u2018Slavery is on people\u2019s minds. It affects us still\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_176473961\" style=\"width: 359px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/GUARDIAN.jpg\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-176473961\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-176473961\" src=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/GUARDIAN.jpg\" alt=\"8 January 2017 \" width=\"349\" height=\"74\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/GUARDIAN.jpg 349w, https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/GUARDIAN-300x64.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 349px) 100vw, 349px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-176473961\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">8 January 2017<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"hide-on-mobile\">\n<header class=\"content__head tonal__head tonal__head--tone-feature\n\n    \"><\/p>\n<div class=\"content__header tonal__header\">\n<div class=\"gs-container\">\n<div class=\"content__main-column u-cf\">\n<h1 class=\"content__headline\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: 36pt;\"><strong>Yaa Gyasi: <\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n<h1 class=\"content__headline\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: 36pt;\"><strong>\u2018Slavery is on <\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n<h1 class=\"content__headline\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: 36pt;\"><strong>people\u2019s minds. <\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n<h1 class=\"content__headline\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: 36pt;\"><strong>It affects us still\u2019<\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"tonal__standfirst u-cf\">\n<div class=\"gs-container\">\n<div class=\"content__main-column\">\n<div class=\"content__standfirst\" data-link-name=\"standfirst\" data-component=\"standfirst\">\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: 18pt;\"><strong>The Homegoing author on exploring<br \/>\nher Ghanaian roots, being an immigrant<br \/>\nin the US, and whether trauma<br \/>\ncan be imprinted on our DNA<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/header>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"content__main tonal__main tonal__main--tone-feature\">\n<div class=\"gs-container\">\n<div class=\"content__main-column content__main-column--article js-content-main-column \">\n<div class=\"js-score\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"js-sport-tabs football-tabs content__mobile-full-width\">\n<div id=\"attachment_176474433\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/yaa-gyasi-01.jpg\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-176474433\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-176474433\" src=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/yaa-gyasi-01.jpg\" alt=\"Yaa Gyasi: \u2018Home can never really be a place. It is this thing that you carry inside of you.\u2019 Photograph: Gabriela Hasbun\/Redux\/Eyevine\" width=\"600\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/yaa-gyasi-01.jpg 620w, https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/yaa-gyasi-01-300x180.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-176474433\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: 10pt;\"><strong>Yaa Gyasi: \u2018Home can never really be a place. It is this thing that you carry inside of you.\u2019 Photograph: Gabriela Hasbun\/Redux\/Eyevine<\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"content__meta-container js-content-meta js-football-meta u-cf\n\n    \"><\/p>\n<div class=\"meta__extras  meta__extras--notice \"><\/div>\n<p class=\"byline\" data-link-name=\"byline\" data-component=\"meta-byline\"><a class=\"tone-colour\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/profile\/katekellaway\" rel=\"author\" data-link-name=\"auto tag link\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>By Kate Kellaway<\/strong><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"content__article-body from-content-api js-article__body\" data-test-id=\"article-review-body\">\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><a class=\"u-underline\" title=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/YaaGyasiAuthor\/\" data-link-name=\"in body link\">Yaa Gyasi<\/a>\u2019s debut novel, <a class=\"u-underline\" title=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.theguardian.com\/homegoing.html\" data-link-name=\"in body link\"><em>Homegoing<\/em><\/a>, is an astonishing epic set in Ghana and the United States, about the legacy of slavery through generations. It attracted a seven-figure advance and has been described as \u201chypnotic\u201d and \u201cbrilliant\u201d, and its 26-year-old author as\u00a0\u201cstirringly gifted\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Why trace your story through the generations?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I began <em>Homegoing<\/em> in 2009 after a trip to Ghana\u2019s Cape Coast Castle [where slaves were incarcerated]. The tour guide told us that British soldiers who lived and worked in the castle often married local women \u2013 something I didn\u2019t know. I wanted to juxtapose two women \u2013 a soldier\u2019s wife with a slave. I thought the novel would be traditionally structured, set in the present, with flashbacks to the 18th century. But the longer I worked, the more interested I became in being able to watch time as it moved, watch slavery and colonialism and their effects \u2013 I wanted to see the through-line.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>How did the dungeons make you feel?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I was devastated. I felt immense rage. The dungeons still smell after hundreds of years. There was grime on the walls and a tiny air hole at the top. When they closed the door, there was no light. Hundreds of people were kept there for three months at a time before being sent God knew where. The terror they must have felt \u2013 not knowing what was to become of them. You can imagine and you cannot possibly imagine.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>The subject of slavery has produced outstanding work from <a class=\"u-underline\" title=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/tonimorrison\" data-link-name=\"in body link\">Toni Morrison<\/a>\u2019s novel <em>Beloved<\/em> to Steve McQueen\u2019s film <a class=\"u-underline\" title=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/film\/12-years-a-slave\" data-link-name=\"in body link\"><em>12 Years a Slave<\/em><\/a>\u2026<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">And this year alone, in America, there has been <a class=\"u-underline\" title=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2016\/oct\/09\/the-underground-railroad-colson-whitehead-revie-luminous-furious-wildly-inventive\" data-link-name=\"in body link\"><em>The Underground Railroad<\/em><\/a> by Colson Whitehead and <em>Grace<\/em> by Natashia De\u00f3n. Slavery is something we have not gotten over, it is on people\u2019s minds and it affects us still.<\/span><\/p>\n<aside class=\"element element-pullquote element--supporting\">\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"pullquote-paragraph\"><span style=\"font-size: 18pt;\"><strong>In this post-election space, as<br \/>\nDonald Trump\u00a0takes over,<br \/>\nwe are wondering what fresh<br \/>\nhell\u00a0may be about to be devised<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Your novel raises interesting questions about identity \u2013 how has your identity been affected by\u00a0place, circumstance and genes?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Place has influenced me hugely. I was born in Ghana, grew up in America, have lived in Ohio, Illinois, Tennessee, Alabama. I studied English and creative writing at Stanford and Iowa. So many people in the States grow up in one place and settle. It has been interesting, during this election, to register that places in America are vastly different and influence people\u2019s ideologies. Getting to see that, having moved a lot myself, has been powerful.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>And circumstance?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">My father is a professor of francophone African literature. My mum is a nurse. Had my parents not decided to emigrate to America, my life would have been completely different. One thing I ran up against a lot as a child was that saying \u201cblack\u201d or \u201cAfro-American\u201d implies a certain cultural identity that was different from mine as an immigrant. I found it difficult to feel I was being black in the right way. The older I got, the more I realised there\u2019s no right way, that everything I do and am is also allowed to be black. It took me a long time to realise that\u2026 the word \u201cblack\u201d can seem to generalise everything.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>And genes? <\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">We are shaped more than we know by our genes. Can trauma be imprinted on our DNA? I think trauma is inheritable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Does suffering for black people change with every generation?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Suffering changes and stays the same. In America, the worst was never over, just made new. That was something I was trying to trace in the novel \u2013 the trail of trauma reinvented. The history of America has involved figuring out new ways to subjugate black people since the beginning. In this post-election in-between space, as Donald Trump takes over, we are wondering what fresh hell may be about to be devised.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Are you religious?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I wouldn\u2019t describe myself as religious, although I was raised as an evangelical Pentecostal Christian in the south \u2013 a unique and fraught position. But my father would whisper: \u201cHad the British not come to Ghana, who knows if we would be sitting here in church today.\u201d So religion for me, growing up, was always tempered by colonialism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Do you suffer survivor\u2019s guilt?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><a class=\"u-underline\" title=\"\" href=\"http:\/\/www.avaduvernay.com\/\" data-link-name=\"in body link\">Ava DuVernay<\/a>, the African American director, wears a shirt on which is written: \u201cI am my ancestors\u2019 wildest dreams.\u201d So there is that feeling as well. How many hundreds of thousands of black people in this country had to die so that Ava DuVernay could sit in that director\u2019s chair?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Are there great storytellers in your family? <\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">So many \u2013 starting with my parents, who told grand stories at parties \u2013 a general mode of communicating among west Africans who love large, proverbial narratives. I\u2019m shy in person. I much prefer writing it to telling it. The closer I get to me and to the truth, the\u00a0more uncomfortable I am.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>A history teacher in your book advises listening out for the quiet voices. Is this what you are doing? <\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><em>Homegoing<\/em> is very much about amplifying voices.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>When you returned to Ghana, did you feel you belonged?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">It is a dual thing \u2013 you belong and you don\u2019t. I remember the Ghanaian passport official reading my name correctly and it felt like the biggest, warmest welcome. At the same time, I understand my native language but don\u2019t speak it. So I am necessarily at this remove \u2013 the country can never be fully mine.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>And how does that make you feel?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">When I was young, I was anxious about the idea that so many of these things end with me. If I have children, I probably won\u2019t be able to teach them\u00a0the language or teach them to cook the food. But as I have grown older, I\u2019ve started to understand that I am allowed to forge this new identity that is more layered and more\u00a0dualistic.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Where is home for you?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">It is a complicated question. Home right now is Oakland, California. But again I think I have known for many years that home, for me, can never really be a place. It is this thing that you carry inside of you, similar to these characters, particularly the Afro-American ones who have been ripped away from their original homes and yet\u00a0have this connection to the land. Home is this little light that you carry inside you wherever you go.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>After a novel as compendiously ambitious as yours, I can imagine you\u00a0have earned a rest. Are you working\u00a0on a\u00a0second novel yet?<\/strong> <\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I hope to write a second novel but am\u00a0completely caught up in publicity. It is the first time in my life I\u2019ve had to do anything like this. I have had to relearn to sit still, be quiet \u2013 and answer questions.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><em><span class=\"bullet\">\u2022<\/span> Homegoing <\/em>by Yaa Gyasi is published by Viking (\u00a316.99). To order a copy for \u00a313.93 go to <a class=\"u-underline\" title=\"\" href=\"https:\/\/bookshop.theguardian.com\/homegoing.html\" data-link-name=\"in body link\">bookshop.theguardian.com<\/a> or call 0330 333 6846.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&gt;via:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2017\/jan\/08\/yaa-gyasi-slavery-is-on-peoples-minds-it-affects-us-still-interview-homegoing-observer-new-review\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2017\/jan\/08\/yaa-gyasi-slavery-is-on-peoples-minds-it-affects-us-still-interview-homegoing-observer-new-review<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Yaa Gyasi: \u2018Slavery is on people\u2019s minds. 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