{"id":176473120,"date":"2017-05-03T17:11:57","date_gmt":"2017-05-03T22:11:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/?p=176473120"},"modified":"2017-05-03T17:11:57","modified_gmt":"2017-05-03T22:11:57","slug":"interview-dear-white-people-creator-justin-simien","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/2017\/05\/03\/interview-dear-white-people-creator-justin-simien\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVIEW: \u2018Dear White People\u2019 Creator Justin Simien"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_176473121\" style=\"width: 120px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/daily-beast.jpg\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-176473121\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-176473121\" src=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/daily-beast.jpg\" alt=\"04.28.17\" width=\"110\" height=\"29\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-176473121\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">04.28.17<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h1 class=\"Title\"><a href=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-01.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-176473131\" src=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-01-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"dear-white-people 01\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-01-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-01-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-01-920x517.jpg 920w, https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-01.jpg 1480w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/h1>\n<h1 class=\"Title\"><span style=\"font-size: 36pt;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u2018Dear White People\u2019<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n<h1 class=\"Title\"><span style=\"font-size: 36pt;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Creator Justin Simien<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n<h1 class=\"Title\"><span style=\"font-size: 36pt;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\"> to Racist Trolls: <\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n<h1 class=\"Title\"><span style=\"font-size: 36pt;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\">You\u2019re in for a Surprise<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/h1>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: 18pt;\"><strong>The filmmaker-turned-Netflix showrunner<br \/>\nthinks his racist trolls will identify with<br \/>\nthe black characters in \u2018Dear White People.\u2019<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"ArticleBody__byline\">\n<div class=\"ArticleBody__authors\">\n<div class=\"ArticleAuthor\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"ArticleAuthor\"><a class=\"ArticleAuthor__name\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/author\/matt-wilstein\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>BY MATT WILSTEIN<\/strong><\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"ArticleAuthor\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"ArticleAuthor\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h4 class=\"ArticleBody__date-time\"><\/h4>\n<\/div>\n<article class=\"Body\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">If there is one creative endeavor that exemplifies the power of<br \/>\n<a class=\"vglnk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=television\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">television<\/a> over film in the <a class=\"vglnk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=streaming\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">streaming<\/a> age, it\u2019s <i>Dear White People<\/i>.<\/span><\/article>\n<article class=\"Body\">\n<div><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Made in just 19 days <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2014\/10\/30\/dear-white-people-how-an-ex-publicist-s-twitter-became-one-of-the-year-s-most-important-films.html\">on a budget of around $1 million<\/a>,<br \/>\nthe film\u00a0was a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2014\/10\/16\/dear-white-people-is-the-race-movie-america-didn-t-know-it-needed.html\">modest success by indie film standards<\/a>,<br \/>\ngrossing a total\u00a0of $4.4 million. But as writer\/director<br \/>\nJustin Simien tells The\u00a0Daily Beast, his 10-episode series<br \/>\nof the same name is poised\u00a0to have a far greater cultural<br \/>\nimpact when it starts streaming\u00a0on Netflix this Friday.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"Body\">\n<div><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Simien got a taste of what that reach will mean when<br \/>\nNetflix\u00a0released <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=1LzggK5DRBA\">a 30-second teaser<\/a> for <i>Dear White People<\/i><br \/>\nearlier this\u00a0year and alt-right trolls seized on it, launching<br \/>\na Twitter\u00a0campaign to #BoycottNetflix. The filmmaker<br \/>\nknew that his\u00a0show\u2019s title was controversial, but he never<br \/>\nsaw this type of\u00a0angry backlash coming. It was yet another<br \/>\nexample of just\u00a0how emboldened the openly racist denizens<br \/>\nof the internet\u00a0have become in the age of Trump.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/article>\n<article class=\"Body\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><br \/>\nNow that viewers will finally be able to see more than a<br \/>\ndeliberately provocative preview, Simien says he hopes<br \/>\nthose who accused Netflix of engaging in \u201canti-white<br \/>\ndiscrimination\u201d will give it a chance. \u201cI actually think a<br \/>\nlot of the trolls will really identify with the show,\u201d he tells<br \/>\nme, given that it tells the stories of \u201cchronically<br \/>\nunderheard\u201d black students at the fictional Ivy League<br \/>\nWinchester University.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/span><\/article>\n<article class=\"Body\"><\/article>\n<article class=\"Body\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><br \/>\nBy expanding the project from one stand-alone piece to<br \/>\n10 distinct half-hour episodes, Simien has broadened the<br \/>\nscope of his vision, delivering a final product that is both<br \/>\nfunnier and more thought-provoking than his original<br \/>\nfilm. Trolls beware.<\/span><\/article>\n<article class=\"Body\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The show feels even more relevant now than when the film premiered. Do you think it will be received differently from when the film came out just three years ago?<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">Yeah. I mean, for one, probably more people will see the show day one than ever saw the movie, just thanks to the nature of Netflix. I made the movie and I made the show to start conversations, which means that we avoid giving all of the answers to these problems and you kind of can\u2019t help but leave the show both entertained and a little perplexed, a little uncomfortable. So I\u2019m sure it will be like the movie but just sort of louder on all ends. I\u2019m sure people will feel gratified that they have seen themselves [represented]. I\u2019m sure people will take issue with some of the choices that the characters make, but that\u2019s all, in my opinion, part of doing my job as an artist.<\/span><\/p>\n<div>\n<div class=\"InlineVideo\" data-resourcetype=\"video\/youtube\">\n<div class=\"InlineVideo__container\">\n<div class=\"InlineVideo__video-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"Video\">\n<div class=\"Video-media\">\n<div class=\"Video-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"Youtube\">\n<section class=\"YoutubeVideo\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" id=\"ytplayer8471259646585023\" class=\"youtube\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/UmWsp8rMDSY?&amp;enablejsapi=1&amp;playsinline=0&amp;autoplay=0\" width=\"100%\" height=\"100%\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/section>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I think the other difference is that, when I wrote the movie, we were still culturally in this period where if you were a black person talking about racism, people kind of looked at you funny. Like, what are you complaining about? Even really well-minded liberal people wanted to believe that we were past racism because we elected Obama twice. And I think that illusion, I think that\u2019s long gone in the culture. Everyone is very aware that, not only do we have a race problem, but it\u2019s so pervasive that it affects national and global politics on a scale that I don\u2019t think a lot of people imagined. So I think the show feels more urgent and more vital just because of the times that we\u2019re in. We wrapped production on November 8th, so we knew we were in a different time already, but I don\u2019t know that we knew how bad it was. Again, I think black people had an idea, we knew that people were racist and there were lots of issues in the country, but I don\u2019t think people saw a direct link between racism in America and destabilization on a global political level. I don\u2019t think people were able to make that connection until this election.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Given that you wrapped filming on Election Day, were you making the show imagining that people would see it in a world where Hillary Clinton was president?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I honestly, like most people, assumed \u2014 whether you supported Trump or not, most people assumed that she was going to be president. I mean, Russia seemed to have assumed it. The Republican-led Congress assumed it. Everyone was preparing for a Hillary Clinton presidency. I think we very consciously tried not to mention who the president would be, because we knew there was a chance that she wouldn\u2019t be. But in a weird way, I feel like subconsciously we made the show for the Trump era. Watching it back now there are certain moments that are so chillingly accurate that I don\u2019t know what part of our brains that came out of. So yeah, we assumed Hillary would be president, but, we also, you know \u2014 I think Dave Chappelle said something similar. I know white people so I don\u2019t know that I was ever completely sure that she was going to win. I was just as shocked and crestfallen as most of the rest of us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>In terms of your creative approach making the series, how did it differ from when you set out to make the film?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I\u2019d already done a lot of thinking about it as a TV show. For me, it was all good stuff. The weight of having to produce an independent movie wasn\u2019t there. And frankly, that is a very heavy weight to carry. We had \u2014 not as much time as we would have liked \u2014 but we had ample time to both conceive of the show, flesh it out and film it. With the movie, I was just trying to keep the lights on, so to speak. I was broke and we made that movie in 19 days and it was just a rush from start to finish. With the show, we had more resources. So I was able to put really crazy ideas down on paper and take the time to either flesh them out and find a place for them or thoughtfully discard them. I mean, it was just a more thoughtful process because we had more time. We had the resources to make 10 episodes instead of trying to cram a lot into an hour and 45 minutes, which is always a challenge for a multi-protagonist piece and is a lot easier as a TV show.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_176473122\" style=\"width: 604px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-02.jpg\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-176473122\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-176473122\" src=\"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-02.jpg\" alt=\"Justin Simien\" width=\"594\" height=\"742\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-02.jpg 594w, https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/dear-white-people-02-240x300.jpg 240w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 594px) 100vw, 594px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-176473122\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: 10pt;\"><strong>Justin Simien<\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Yeah, one of the great things that this format allows you to do is explore different episodes from different points of view. What was the benefit for you of taking that approach?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I always thought that the Netflix model, there was opportunity to do things in TV that doesn\u2019t normally work. And one of the things that I love about Robert Altman\u2019s movies is that really, a Robert Altman movie is just a bunch of short films about various people told at the same time. If we look at the entire season as one story, what if each of these half hours we jump into each one of those lives as opposed to trying to jump into everyone\u2019s life in each episode? Just really taking our time to get into the shoes of these characters. And on the road talking to people who had seen the movie, everybody wanted more, everyone wanted to go deeper into everybody. And I thought, what better way than to just tell the entire half hour from one person\u2019s perspective at a time? I found it to be a very satisfying approach, at least for this first season.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><b>One thing that you didn\u2019t get a chance to riff on because it happened so recently is the <\/b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2017\/04\/05\/kendall-jenner-and-pepsi-sell-out-the-resistance.html\"><b>now infamous Pepsi protest ad<\/b><\/a><b>, which feels like something that could have happened in <i>Dear White People<\/i>. What was your reaction when you saw that?<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">The funny thing is, I wasn\u2019t personally offended by it. I was more offended by how stupid these ad agencies are. It was just such a stupid idea. It wasn\u2019t like, \u201cOh my God, police violence isn\u2019t being taken seriously.\u201d I didn\u2019t go there with it on a personal level. When I see these movies that come out and take some sort of ethnic concept and put a white person in the middle of it and the studio wonders why it doesn\u2019t work, it\u2019s like, at this point, c\u2019mon! How tone-deaf can you be? It just felt like a really, really dumb mistake given our cultural and political climate. I just thought it was fucking stupid. Of course you\u2019re begging to be mocked by the internet for doing something like that. That would be so obvious to me at every stage of that process. It was more that I didn\u2019t understand how they got to that point where they thought that would be an effective ad campaign. If there was ever a better reason to say hire more black and brown folks, it would be this. I promise you if you had a black woman heading whatever agency put that together, that just would not have happened.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>During the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2017\/03\/13\/netflix-s-dear-white-people-is-the-perfect-clap-back-against-trump-s-america.html\">Q&amp;A at SXSW<\/a>, you said you wanted the show to be a \u201cclap back\u201d against Trump\u2019s election. What did you mean by that?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">What I meant was, once I had sort of processed my grief over the result of the election \u2014 and I\u2019m sure someone will read this and not agree with me politically or whatever \u2014 but I was really going through the stages of grief, like a lot of people. But what made me feel better was, as we were editing the show, I was just like, boy, it felt so good to have something artistically at the ready to respond to the times that we\u2019re in. I didn\u2019t have to go back and write something; we already made it. It was already on deck. I found some comfort in that. And when I say response or \u201cclap back,\u201d <i>Dear White People<\/i> is not about all the evil things that white people do, it\u2019s just that I think that the show attempts to analyze the hidden forces behind these conflicts. If this had happened and I didn\u2019t have something ready to put out artistically, I would have felt even more empty about what happened. So I was just happy that we decided to speak about political things and racial issues that clearly played a factor in the result.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"Snippet\"><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/68.media.tumblr.com\/3dec37a56be075c1e82e352e321b9b2c\/tumblr_ol4acrt4o01qa4l1ko2_540.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>After the whole <a href=\"http:\/\/www.avclub.com\/article\/alt-right-trolls-boycott-netflix-because-theyre-sc-250056\">#BoycottNetflix backlash<\/a> happened when the teaser dropped, you responded with a <a href=\"https:\/\/medium.com\/@JSim07\/why-did-i-name-it-dear-white-people-f1d0146b8e5d\">really nuanced and thoughtful piece on Medium<\/a>. Why was it important to you to respond in such a forceful way?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I think it was because I was just so taken aback by it. It was such an outrageous response to what honestly was a pretty innocuous date announcement. And it was so much bigger than anything we experienced with the movie, it just felt like something different was happening in the world. And it wasn\u2019t so much that I was hurt by it or offended by it, I was just really like, \u201cWhat is going on?\u201d My boyfriend, who\u2019s definitely more up on how technology works, explained to me how trolling has evolved since putting out the movie. How web brigading and all of these fake accounts, how organized they are and a lot of the Russian bot programs that are now part of the U.S. political Twitter atmosphere. And once I started to understand what I was seeing and facing, I just couldn\u2019t not respond to it. It\u2019s not new to attempt to vilify the minority that speaks about their oppression. That\u2019s not a new thing. But the ways in which they did it were so organized and nefarious, I had to come to terms with that. As it so happens, I\u2019m a writer, so the best way I can come to terms with anything is to write about it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Did Netflix reaffirm their support for you and the show after that? Or was that even necessary?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">It wasn\u2019t necessary but it was very welcome. And yes they did. They were very supportive. And they did a lot of research too on what happened exactly and their conclusions were very similar to mine and I just never really felt any wavering in their support for us. They definitely let us know that, and it was great. It was thrilling actually to feel like we were a part of something, culturally speaking, that was clearly touching a nerve that needs to be touched repeatedly, I guess.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>Finally, if any of those trolls were to actually watch the show, what do you hope they would get out of it?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">I actually think a lot of the trolls will really identify with the show, because we sort of put everyone on blast. No one is really safe from the satire of the show. So I think they\u2019d be surprised by politically who and what they align with on the show. But also ultimately the show is about a group of people who feel clinically underheard. And if you\u2019re willing to create a hundred fake profiles and pull mugshots off of Google as your profile picture, clearly you feel chronically underheard. So I actually think that they, strangely enough, will identify not only with these characters, but with black people in general in ways that will surprise them. And I do think a lot of them will watch the show, because a lot of them are curious. I have a feeling there will be a lot of secret views on Netflix from these people.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\"><strong>You\u2019ll never know, but I hope you\u2019re right. <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt;\">They may never admit it, but I have a feeling.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/article>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&gt;via:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2017\/04\/28\/dear-white-people-creator-justin-simien-to-racist-trolls-you-re-in-for-a-surprise?via=newsletter&amp;source=Entertainment\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2017\/04\/28\/dear-white-people-creator-justin-simien-to-racist-trolls-you-re-in-for-a-surprise?via=newsletter&amp;source=Entertainment<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; \u2018Dear White People\u2019 Creator Justin Simien to Racist Trolls: You\u2019re in for a Surprise The filmmaker-turned-Netflix showrunner thinks his racist trolls will identify with the black characters in \u2018Dear White People.\u2019 BY MATT WILSTEIN If there is one creative endeavor that exemplifies the power of television over film in the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mo_disable_npp":"","_s2mail":"yes"},"categories":[6],"tags":[4,12,11],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/176473120"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=176473120"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/176473120\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":176473208,"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/176473120\/revisions\/176473208"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=176473120"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=176473120"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=176473120"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}