{"id":176435756,"date":"2014-04-28T02:30:36","date_gmt":"2014-04-28T07:30:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/?p=176435756"},"modified":"2014-04-28T02:30:36","modified_gmt":"2014-04-28T07:30:36","slug":"interview-a-talk-with-zun-lee-filling-the-visual-gap-for-black-fathers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/2014\/04\/28\/interview-a-talk-with-zun-lee-filling-the-visual-gap-for-black-fathers\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVIEW: A Talk with Zun Lee: Filling the Visual Gap for Black Fathers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"h1\" id=\"logo\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ceibalogosite-g.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p>April 3rd, 2014<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<header>\n<h1 itemprop=\"headline\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: xx-large;\">A Talk with Zun Lee: <\/span><\/strong><\/h1>\n<h1 itemprop=\"headline\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: xx-large;\">Filling the Visual Gap <\/span><\/strong><\/h1>\n<h1 itemprop=\"headline\"><strong><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: xx-large;\">for Black Fathers<\/span><\/strong><\/h1>\n<\/header>\n<section itemprop=\"articleBody\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ZunLee_Headshot\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/04\/ZunLee_Headshot.jpg\" width=\"819\" height=\"546\" \/><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: small;\"><strong><em>Portrait \u00a9 Carolyn Beller<\/em><\/strong><\/span><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>What inspired you to start this project?<\/strong><\/span><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">Several aspects came together when I embarked on this project. There is the contentious social issue of father absence, particularly problematized as an \u201cepidemic\u201d in African-descended communities. The visual representation of Black fathers has remained stuck on both sides of the debate: On the one hand you have prevalent stereotypes of deadbeats who are often seen as prolific sperm donors, but rarely shown as competent and present fathers. On the other hand you have the \u201cantidote\u201d \u2013 the patriarch who espouses traditional marriage and family values, the celebrity dad, and other \u201chero\u201d archetypes that are held up as role models but are equally limiting in their depiction of reality.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">What tends to get lost on both sides are examples of the everyday Black father who strives to be present in many different ways without necessarily conforming to the formulae above. Anecdotally, we see these fathers in action on a daily basis and we know they exist in much greater numbers than the media want us to believe. It was these fathers and their parenting context that I became interested in photographing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">On a deeper level, I have a personal stake in this issue in that I learned several years ago that my biological father was African American. This doesn\u2019t mean that I grew up fatherless: I was raised in a household with both mom and dad present, but I had always assumed this father to be my biological one until the surprise discovery. I harbored a great deal of resentment over this history and undoubtedly the negativity surrounding absent Black fathers played a role in it. For a long time, I saw myself as part of the common \u201cabsent Black dad narrative\u201d and didn\u2019t really have a desire to examine what is actually behind the stereotype. I had a lot of unanswered questions, and unfortunately my family hasn\u2019t been forthcoming with support, nor is there any information available regarding my biological father\u2019s whereabouts. So the only way to come to terms with my anger and resentment was through this project.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>Tell us about your shooting process.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">It took a long time for the whole project to come together. I didn\u2019t have any prior experience shooting a long-form project, so it was all trial and error. I researched the topic and reached out to community organizations to help me with the decision of what fathers to look for. I contacted friends regarding suitable fathers, approached potential subjects on the street, scoured social media and even had a fixer for a while, though that wasn\u2019t so successful. After several months, I realized I needed to delve into the actual lives of some of these families to witness the kinds of moments I would not be privy to otherwise. I narrowed down my focus to maybe five or six households that trusted me enough to allow me into their most personal situations. This way, I could record the unguarded father-child interactions without feeling like an intruder.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ZunLeeInterview01-1024x682.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"682\" \/><\/span><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>Was it difficult to shoot on an issue that is so personal? Was the process therapeutic?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">Absolutely. In the past, any time I would see visuals of loving Black fathers on television, I\u2019d change the channel. But others had also remarked that a lot of my early street photography would center around fatherhood themes. So there was definitely a lot of resistance to overcome, but I also chose to work with the kinds of families whose energy and openness made it easier for me to hang around and return again and again. Over time, you literally become part of whatever family you\u2019re working with, and so I\u2019d often just drop in to say hello and catch up, rather than looking to spend my time photographing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">Was the process therapeutic? I\u2019d say more cathartic and redemptive than therapeutic. There was a lot of frustration that built up during this project \u2013 the logistics, struggling with access, the need to have to be \u201con\u201d all the time waiting for some significant moment to pop off. Plus, so much of what I witnessed in terms of those quiet, loving, affectionate father-child interactions \u2013 all of this was something I wasn\u2019t used to from my childhood, so it was hard for me to process what was going on. I wasn\u2019t necessarily aiming to shoot what I was missing from my childhood days (after all, what you don\u2019t know you can\u2019t miss\u2026) but witnessing these moments did enable me to build a family scrapbook of sorts. You know how you stumble upon an old family album and it feels great to relive certain moments by browsing through it? Shooting the project almost gave me that kind of feeling. And I think this was important in terms of replacing my resentment with something positive, to let go of the hurt and get to a place of forgiveness.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>What\u2019s the craziest thing that happened while shooting?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">I\u2019m not sure anything really outrageous happened during a shoot, but there was an intense period of a few months in late 2012 to early 2013 when several of my subjects passed away, some of natural, others of unnatural causes. I wasn\u2019t present in those moments, but I did attend the homegoing service for some of the families. This definitely took the wind out of my sails for a bit but also reminded me of why I\u2019m doing this work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ZunLeeInterview02\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ZunLeeInterview02-1024x685.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"685\" \/><\/span><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>How have different communities embraced this project?<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">The feedback from the Black community has been overwhelmingly positive, especially in the US and the UK. I\u2019ve received a lot of support from many families, community organizations, and academicians early on, and that support was instrumental not only in keeping me going, but also in getting the work out via social media and otherwise. What struck me was how visceral the responses often were, not just with respect to the images themselves, but with respect to the fact that I had taken on this project to begin with. Many in the community felt that showing a balanced perspective regarding Black fatherhood was long overdue, but there was also a sense of resignation about why these images didn\u2019t exist in the first place. Broader feedback from other ethnic communities has been rather thin. Not that people didn\u2019t care or cannot relate intellectually to why I\u2019m doing this work, but there simply isn\u2019t the sense of urgency and frustration with respect to this issue in other communities. There certainly has been plenty of individual feedback, and especially parents regardless of background can easily relate to the images. But outside of the Black community, I haven\u2019t observed anything close to what could be called a \u201ccommunity response\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>Has working on \u201cFather Figure\u201d changed how you view your own fathers, both the biological and the one you grew up with?<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">This is probably the biggest breakthrough for me, because I harbored a lot of resentment towards both fathers and my mother and through this project I found a way to forgive them. Not that I\u2019m seeking to resume any kind of relationship with them, but it was about letting go of anger and the notion that they could have done anything differently. They did the best they could, given the circumstances and the information they had. This doesn\u2019t mean exculpation, but it does mean acceptance on my part.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>A lot of photographers start a project, but find it hard to maintain the motivation to see it through. How did you stay motivated and what inspired you to continue?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">To be honest, there have been many times when I felt like calling it a day, and I\u2019ve taken some long breaks in between periods of shooting. Getting the work done meant a lot of sacrifice and trade-offs, and it came at the expense of many friendships and relationships, both personal and professional. Key for me to stay motivated was the focus on a subject matter that personally means a lot to me and made \u201cFather Figure\u201d more than just another project to complete. The support from the community, key people in the photography industry, and last not least the families themselves pulled me through in the worst of times.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ZunLeeInterview03\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ZunLeeInterview03-1024x768.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" \/><\/span><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>You contributed to the book \u201c(1)ne Drop: Conversations on Skin Color, Race, and Identity\u201d \u2013 how was that? Did that experience shape your own work in any way?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">First off, I have to thank Dr. Yaba Blay for allowing me to contribute to her groundbreaking work and for giving a voice to my story. It all started when I thanked Dr. Blay on Facebook after (1)ne Drop had been featured as part of CNN\u2019s \u201cBlack in America\u201d series. Many conversations later, she invited me to her book project both as a contributor and contributing photographer. That was such an important experience for progressing \u201cFather Figure\u201d, because I approached the topic of Black fatherhood from a perspective of identity as well. Many people want to discuss my work solely from an angle of overcoming dysfunction and negativity but that\u2019s not the whole equation. An aspect of equal or perhaps greater importance is the fact that the Black community has shaped my identity since I was young, way before I actually learned about my biological father. Without that history, I wouldn\u2019t have had the perspective or relationships to pursue \u201cFather Figure\u201d the way I did. \u201cFather Figure\u201d is therefore also a tribute to a community that has always embraced me and given me a sense of home.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>You\u2019re in the process of publishing your first book (with us!) \u2013 How does that feel?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">Fantastic! It\u2019s still hard to believe. The thought of holding something tangible in your hand and what that means, it still hasn\u2019t fully sunk in yet. Getting to this point was definitely a lot more work than I anticipated, but it\u2019s a great learning experience, too. It also helps to collaborate with a great production team that \u201cgets\u201d the work, is passionate about it and is prepared to put the same amount of sweat equity into it as I am. So, thank you,\u00a0<em>ceiba<\/em>!<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ZunLeeInterview05\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ZunLeeInterview05-1024x681.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"681\" \/><\/span><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>What do you hope to achieve with the book?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">First and foremost, making this book available to the people that supported me, especially the families I worked with, that\u2019s my first priority. Sure, emailing images and gifting prints is meaningful but to be able to produce an actual book is a rite of passage of sorts. It shows that you\u2019ve done a certain amount of good work that\u2019s ready to see the light of day, and I hope it can set the stage for more good work to follow. Content-wise, I hope that this book can contribute to a more balanced conversation about Black fatherhood (and about the issue of visual representation of Black males, period).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>Once the book is launched and you have it in your hands, will it feel like the end of the road for \u201cFather Figure\u201d or will you continue this work in some way?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">This is my rookie long-form project and I still have so much to learn as a photographer and storyteller. I know I would not be shooting \u201cFather Figure\u201d the same way three years from now. In many ways, I feel the work is far from done yet, and the book launch will probably intensify my involvement with the subject matter in additional ways. I definitely want to stay engaged with the community and use any potential momentum to enable productive conversations in different settings. In terms of photography, I will continue working with one or two families to whom I\u2019ve grown particularly close. Their dynamics are unique and things have evolved into their own respective spin-off projects.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ZunLeeInterview04\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/ZunLeeInterview04-1024x683.jpg\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" \/><\/span><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>Do you have any other projects in the works?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">In addition to the \u201cFather Figure\u201d spin-offs, there are one or two street photography projects I\u2019m aiming to complete, one of them a series of street portraits in San Francisco\u2019s Tenderloin district that I\u2019ve put on hold. I\u2019ve also begun research on two new long-form projects and will determine this Summer\/Fall if I have enough to begin shooting.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><strong>What advice do you have for other emerging photographers out there?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">I\u2019m not sure if I\u2019m in a position to give advice to anyone, everything is still so new for me and I\u2019m absorbing and learning as I go. I\u2019ll share some insights that worked for me personally, but these may not work for everyone.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">\u2022 Figure out who you are as a human being and as an artist. Granted that is going to be a different process for different people, but I believe without a firm sense of who you are, your work won\u2019t really speak with its own voice. I\u2019m not saying you won\u2019t be able to shoot amazing work. It just won\u2019t resonate as \u201cyou\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">\u2022 Get some good mentors and be prepared for some tough feedback. The mentors are not there to give you moral support and they don\u2019t have to be aligned with your style of shooting. But they should be fair and honest in their assessment of where your work is and where it needs to go.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">\u2022 Don\u2019t be afraid to tackle a subject that tells your own story and requires a level of vulnerability. For \u201cFather Figure\u201d, it required a certain level of sweetness and a deliberately touching vibe. For me, that\u2019s actually difficult to shoot. Much more difficult than, say, mangled bodies, severed limbs, and blood. That\u2019s easier for me because I was trained to deal with that, after all.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">\u2022 Define for yourself what \u201cvisually compelling\u201d is and don\u2019t be afraid to pursue that. Not what you think people want to see or what you think will make you popular.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">\u2022 Take all the feedback you can get, take it to heart, and then do what feels right, regardless. Trust your instincts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\">\u2013<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000; font-size: medium;\"><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.zunlee.com\/\" target=\"_blank\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Zun Lee<\/span><\/a>\u00a0is a physician and visual storyteller who lives in Toronto, Canada.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<\/section>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&gt;via:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/a-talk-with-zun-lee-filling-the-visual-gap-for-black-fathers\/\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.ceibafoto.com\/a-talk-with-zun-lee-filling-the-visual-gap-for-black-fathers\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; April 3rd, 2014 &nbsp; &nbsp; A Talk with Zun Lee: Filling the Visual Gap for Black Fathers Portrait \u00a9 Carolyn BellerWhat inspired you to start this project?Several aspects came together when I embarked on this project. There is the contentious social issue of father absence, particularly problematized as an \u201cepidemic\u201d in African-descended communities. The [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mo_disable_npp":"","_s2mail":"yes"},"categories":[6],"tags":[4,12,11],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/176435756"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=176435756"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/176435756\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":176435800,"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/176435756\/revisions\/176435800"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=176435756"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=176435756"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/kalamu.com\/neogriot\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=176435756"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}